A sensitive political situation, who knows the strengths and weaknesses of the current ruling team, Pavlov explicitly and clearly painted a picture of what today is the official Minsk, and that the current rulers will happen in the near future. With our companion, we met three times. First, talking in a cozy cafe in the central metropolitan Avenue, just opposite the famous KGB building in Komsomolskaya. Then we surveyed the long ... Finally, the final chord of our conversation was near the ... It is a symbolic allusion to. What does all this mean? . Second, and what to be afraid of?.
The story of the artifact, ...
- How is it could appear a political, institutional artifact as Lukashenko headed perspective of the country?.
- Those who believe that a random arrival of Lukashenko to power in 1994, knew of Belarus surface, under the influence of myths about tolerance and Belarusians vseterpimosti. Many do not even think about that a republic - partisan (ie, the so- called Belarus in the Soviet Union) in the current wording sounds as a republic - suicide. In the early 90s most massive protest was held in Minsk. It was a social revolt: factory workers took to the central square to protest against rising prices, downsizing, demanding higher wages. Near the Government House were not dozens, but hundreds of thousands of people who are ready to throw their ministers from cabinet. And the government wavered. Power and the intellectual elite had nothing to oppose this popular revolt. Some have tried to explain that the new realities objectively lead to a deterioration of living standards, but then, later, will become easier. Others were endless and incomprehensible to most people debate about the Belarusian language and national identity. As a result, the nation has become a favorite of Alexander Lukashenko, who watered and those other. Was a man who promised everything at once: to return the union, cheap gasoline, and rent, ... Dr.. As a result, it Lukashenko became personified embodiment of social rebellion. He said that ordinary people wanted to hear. He spoke lucidly, without the macro and micro levels. Not for nothing if the people thought - ... Throw in demagogy and innate artistry. It acted slogan - all will set! . Kebich, events in Viskuly and signed the collapse of the USSR, the main competitors - and Shushkevich Kebich, and more. This is similar to the famous long jump Beamon at 8m. 90cm. Tailwind, a good push, a successful flight and landing of great. The appearance of Lukashenko was inevitable. Political experts, among other things, it should have been foreseen.
- What actually were the prospects for Belarus in 1994? .
- Yes, it is. Widely known is the fact that Belarus - is the shortest transit between huge markets - Russia and the European. Even so, geographic, could provide the advantage of the normal development of the country. But there were also lesser-known starting conditions. A few years before the collapse of the Soviet Union a number of Belarusian enterprises were able to conduct large-scale reconstruction and technological re- union at the expense of the budget. In the light hand of Nikolai Ivanovich Ryzhkov, the sovereign period of its history the Belarusian economy went up, with several unique businesses in Europe and a number of modern production technologies to the world level. And in the most popular sectors - chemicals, biotechnology, metallurgy and defense industry. The CIA, in its report put Belarus on a level with the Czech Republic. I think that now this can only dream.
- The formation of personal values depends on the environment, philosophy, life experience, professional knowledge. Lukashenko has always demonstrated only three characteristic qualities: tolerance for others, fear of competition, and the slightest dissent and phenomenal populism (with controversy and symptomatic reservations). Why are you ruling nomenklatura, were unable to tell in 1994 the whole truth about Lukashenko to the masses?.
- The strength of the range - is the ability and the ability to play by the rules. But in certain situations, like the ability to become its weakness. It happened in Belarus: while some were playing chess, another hit on the head with a board. The second reason - that few people regarded Lukashenko as a serious contender. There was a belief in the system, the belief that the director of the farm can not even shake the stability of the emerging state apparatus for decades. At some point, just decided not to talk about Lukashenko. As a result, people do not beat common sense, and hope for a miracle. However, I categorically dismiss Moscow's hand, the help of special services, the arrival of some colonels with diplomats and m. n. Ponapisyvali these tales to justify. The elections were fair. On the part of government. Events in Liozno - a procurement team Lukashenko. No attempt was not there. Then all of these tricks one of the teams - rivals Lukashenko, and did not think. It is their job.
- You, Valery Pavlov, worked with the current president of the Supreme Council. Perhaps the football they played together, sometimes in the bathhouse looked. And as experience? .
- I always saw in this man a pathological desire for power. And realize that in the name of this goal, he will go to any. Lukashenko is absolutely unprincipled. He personally introduced to Parliament a white-red -white flag (now the flag of the Belarusian opposition ) and looking for a way to be attached to the Belarusian People's Front. Then, realizing that all positions in the BNF split, over to the other flank, began to position itself as a pro-Russian politician. We understood that Lukashenko is very easy to tame, Give him Kebich position, personal car, a secretary - and would not have had a more zealous defender of the regime. But we could not and did not want to do. In football we played really, a large number of deputies, where time twice a week, in a military town Uruchcha. There was an excellent base. The main fans were Karpenko, Antonchik, Lebedko, Gonchar, Lukashenko. After football bath, then a hundred grams and at home. Lukashenko has been in the game and after it the same as we do. Gates did not threaten dictatorial. Friends we had not been. To work in his team never asked. Even then I saw his character and felt that in time will be as it is today. With great dedication, you can work only with due respect for each other and sharing responsibility for the outcome. As for the post, you can not digest all of this volume, and you for it blamed, and even to insult the whole country, what kind of job?.
State and we (the Cold War against the Belarusians ).
- Why is society so easily agreed that the government brutally suppressed any dissent? . Why do we calmly observe the mercy of political opponents of the regime and their families?.
- A person can not appreciate what you do not know. And for ordinary Belarusians from the village of Doe value equivalent to the value of dissent, such as a Jacuzzi. Abstract concept and not more than. The same, incidentally, you can talk about the concepts of democracy, liberal values and m. n. It turns out that the slogan under which the people are trying to build political parties, these same people just misunderstood. And what we call the mercy of government opponents, ordinary people perceive as a common struggle for power. And it does not hurt them because they were not concerned, therefore, there is no reaction. But think of another example. When he was arrested Pavel Sheremet. Everything was clear: the journalist criticized Lukashenko, and he was jailed. The community's response was unequivocal: the walls of houses were covered with slogans Sheremet - for President! . People tend to get updated information, helpfully were less than nod. And most importantly, people began to go outside and see in Belarus, compared to how people live all around us.
- What are the values of the current Belarusian government has to be proud of the Belarusians? .
- Nation - it's still not entirely homogeneous notion of. And the fact that people do not like capital, is even supported by the residents of the hinterland. For the Mogilev career of their countrymen - are the living embodiment of the so-called American dream, when a man from nowhere makes a quick career and reaches heights unseen. In this sense, the new team at the beginning of the outback gave impetus to optimism. Another question is why the traditional elites were unable to resist this attack? .
- The state always tends to be large: it tries to control all spheres of public life to the fullest ( total ) format. How strong and comprehensive, this control is performed by the Belarusian State, and where ordinary Belarusians can be truly free ( only in the kitchen?).
- Why is it only in the kitchen? . And someone has aptly said that the country is placed in the beds with cancer. Although izoydi saliva in hatred of the regime, but the kids something to feed. Making all the frantic search for a means of survival, occasionally tossing small handouts - is a sophisticated method of training. But it is not a new.
- The nature of the Belarusian fear, and who, in fact, the Belarusians are afraid? .
- I think, first of all Belarusians are afraid of a new period of turmoil. They are afraid not to become worse.
President and nomenclature (principles of power).
- It 's interesting that the. Where Lukashenko has managed to gain so much gray and not very competent managers. They are bumbling, deceitful, irresponsible, and not think about the country's development strategy, do not analyze the orders of the leader. Like a bad army - to carry out even the most unlucky and get an order awards. These managers are moved from place to place, from post to post, pre- ruined industry. Why with Lukashenko categorically do not want to work real professionals?.